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# Is dice control necessary to get an edge at craps?

19 December 2010

Dear Frank,

In your book Beat the Craps out of the Casinos (original and expanded edition), the Supersystem uses the "doey-don't" and takes full odds on the come bets once the 5-Count is reached. If any of the four numbers you are on are not hit for three rolls, you call your odds "off" for two rolls and repeat this process until the shooter throws a "seven out."

As you correctly pointed out, you are mathematically playing a near "even" game with the house, avoiding risking your bankroll on horrendous rolls, and if the shooter "sevens out" while your odds are "off", you do not lose any money since there is no money at risk. By adhering to this strategy, you dilute the 2-1 advantage normally associated with the first roll with a new come bet by finding a higher percentage of "rhythmic" rollers who tend to "avoid the seven".

I have found that on many occasions, the shooter will "seven out" when I call my odds "off," with other players and dealers being intrigued as to how I knew that the "devil" would show up. I feel that the best way to use the Supersystem after the 5-Count is reached is to take full odds behind the last four "point" numbers thrown (I keep track by using six poker chips I individually numbered 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10), and therefore, must continually bet the "doey-don't" until the shooter "sevens out."

However, in your new book Casino Craps - Shoot to Win, you are no longer using the "doey-don't" in conjunction with the 5-Count Supersystem, but instead you are placing a come bet after the 5-Count is attained. You also say that "dice control" is a necessary ingredient for winning at craps.

My questions are as follows:

1. Why did you start using just a come bet after the 5-Count, and stop recommending placing your "doey-don't" wagers after the 2-Count, and taking full odds after the 5-Count?
2. When using the Supersystem as described above, I have experienced the most success when playing casino craps. Do you consider the Supersystem to be a long-term winning strategy for playing casino craps, regardless of whether "dice control" (although it may be beneficial) is utilized, as opposed to being a "necessary ingredient"? Or have I just been extraordinarily fortunate to be winning with the original Supersystem?

Howard

Dear Howard:

When I wrote that first book in 1990 I based everything on what the late, great Captain said. His Supersystem did use the doey-don't along with the 5-Count. However, mathematically you are better off just using a come bet or pass line bet after the 5-Count has been reached. So I have moved away from the Supersystem and gone to the mathematically stronger way to approach the game, which I write about in Casino Craps: Shoot to Win!

However, the Supersystem is not a terrible way to play; it just isn't the optimum way to bet.

But one thing is for certain, the 5-Count is the ultimate way to handle whom you'll bet on and when you'll bet on them. Can you achieve some kind of edge just using the 5-Count? In some ways yes. Go here to read an interesting discussion of the 5-Count with a math expert: http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/skinny0001.shtml.

Is dice control necessary to really get an edge over the house in craps? Yes.

I am giving you a free 30-day subscription to my private website at www.goldentouchcraps.com. We have over 5,000 members on this site, some of whom are dice controllers. Just yesterday the very first student Golden Touch Craps ever taught dice control had a 90-roll hand in Atlantic City --- the fifth longest witnessed hand since we've been keeping records. You'll get to read about it when you go onto the site.

All the best in and out of the casinos!

Frank Scoblete

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Frank Scoblete is the #1 best selling gaming author in America. His newest books are Slots Conquest: How to Beat the Slot Machines; Everything Casino Poker: Get the Edge at Video Poker, Texas Hold'em, Omaha Hi-Lo and Pai Gow Poker!; Beat Blackjack Now: The Easiest Way to Get the Edge; Casino Craps: Shoot to Win!; Cutting Edge Craps: Advanced Strategies for Serious Players; Casino Conquest: Beat the Casinos at Their Own Games! and The Virgin Kiss.

Frank and Casino City Times columnist Jerry "Stickman" teach private lessons in dice control. Frank's books are available at Amazon.com, in bookstores or by mail order. Call 1-800-944-0406 or write to Frank Scoblete Enterprises, PO Box 446, Malverne, NY 11565. Frank can also be reached by email at fscobe@optonline.net.

#### Frank Scoblete Websites:

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Frank Scoblete
Frank Scoblete is the #1 best selling gaming author in America. His newest books are Slots Conquest: How to Beat the Slot Machines; Everything Casino Poker: Get the Edge at Video Poker, Texas Hold'em, Omaha Hi-Lo and Pai Gow Poker!; Beat Blackjack Now: The Easiest Way to Get the Edge; Casino Craps: Shoot to Win!; Cutting Edge Craps: Advanced Strategies for Serious Players; Casino Conquest: Beat the Casinos at Their Own Games! and The Virgin Kiss.

Frank and Casino City Times columnist Jerry "Stickman" teach private lessons in dice control. Frank's books are available at Amazon.com, in bookstores or by mail order. Call 1-800-944-0406 or write to Frank Scoblete Enterprises, PO Box 446, Malverne, NY 11565. Frank can also be reached by email at fscobe@optonline.net.

#### Frank Scoblete Websites:

www.goldentouchcraps.com
www.goldentouchblackjack.com